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Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:00:00

There are a lot of different names for coaches. We talked a little bit about that in episode 53 when we launched this series on coaching versus therapy. Today, we have a panel of guests, and we're going to launch a little deeper into the different titles for coaches. and what exactly that means. We're also going to have a chance to learn directly from coaches about their backgrounds, what they offer, and how it might connect directly to you. Stick around. We've got this episode and one more after it in this 3 part series to help you better understand coaching and therapy. Welcome to The Grishow, where our focus is growth on purpose. I am your host, Shawna Rodrigues, and I'm an energy part of this community as we journey together with our grit intact to learn more about how to thrive, on how to get the most out of life. It means a lot that you are here today. As you listen, I encourage you to think of who may appreciate the tidbits of knowledge we are sharing and to take a moment to pass this along to them. Everyone appreciates a friend that thinks of them, and these conversations are meant to be shared and to spark even more connections.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:01:14

It's exciting to have invited back 4 of our previous guests for today's conversation. We are totally shaking things up as we enter our 2nd year of the podcast, and I'm glad you are here for it. To spend more time with our guests, I'm dividing the bios, and we'll share 2 at the start of this episode and the other 2 at the beginning of next week's episode. The full bios and links to previous episodes where you can spend more time with each of these guests is in the show notes. The first guest I'd like to reintroduce you to is Linh Phan whose expertise, who became familiar with on episode 29. Linh is the founder of Bonafide Life Coaching and a body acceptance coach. Growing up in a small Canadian town as a Chinese immigrant, Linh experienced multiple layers of not enoughness and wanting to change everything about herself. It wasn't until she became a burlesque performer and was surrounded by people of all shapes, sizes, and ethnicity. She started to realize that she is enough. as is. Now she's on a mission to help others liberate themselves from societal expectations and body shame so they can live their happiest and healthiest lives unapologetically. Welcome, Linh.

Linh Fan [: 00:02:22

Thank you so much for having me today, Shawna.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:02:24

I'm so glad you're here. We also have Eric Bauberger with us today. You may recall from one of our earliest episodes, number 7. Lucky number 7. Eric is a holistic life coach and spiritual singer songwriter who guides creatives on a journey to authentic freedom. through music movement and breath work, he helps individuals access their true selves, through rewiring the mind, integrating emotions, and forming aligned habits they are able to unlock their greatest potential. He does this through coaching, workshops, and conscious music. He's overcome obstacles like performance anxiety and fear, through his time as a wrestler and started his lessons on the power of surrender and gratitude through the loss of his sister. positioning from a physical therapy technician to a mastery method like coach, he's gained awareness of the key restrictions and inspirations to our natural flow. He's found that following our passion leads to harmony and freedom. He works to cocreate a world where conscious arts thrive and healing is accessible. Welcome, Eric.

Eric Bauberger [: 00:03:26

Thank you so much for having me again. It's wonderful to be here.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:03:29

Yay. I'm so glad you're able to make it. We also have this Jacquelyn Emery, who we chatted with in episode 47 around boundaries and productive heart emotions and graced us with a guest episode for number 48. She's a certified life coach and host of life in the driver's seat. You can see her full bio in either of those episodes. Welcome Jacquelyn.

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:03:50

Thank you. Excited to be here.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:03:52

Yes. Our fourth guest is Will Halpin, whose episode on internal family systems is in the top 5 of the Grit shows most listened to episodes. It is number 32. Statistically speaking, you've likely heard it, but if you haven't, you should probably check it out. or get a refresh on it. He's a psychotherapist and public health social worker. You can find his full bio in episode 32. Welcome, Will.

Will Halpin [: 00:04:15

Thanks for having me back. Good to be here.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:04:17

Thanks. This conversation has a bit of ground recording laid in the last episode, number 53. Oh, actually, that was 2 episodes ago. Right? We had our anniversary episode interrupt things. Coach versus therapist laying the groundwork to figure out what's best for you. which is part 1 of this 3 part series to explore the differences between coaching and therapy. In it, I laid out what prompted this conversation and gave the basics on my understanding of the training background for therapists and clinicians to kind of save time from this conversation today. And I also kind of drew some basic definitions. So I put it as helpers being both coaches and therapists and kind of what brings us all together. And then outlined a little of what I was grouping together as therapists and clinicians and referring to interchangeably as their beds and clinicians. So I also shared a little of my own experience with therapy and talked about EAP. which are employee assistance programs, and my experiences with that. So I just wanted to start our conversation. Was there anything from that conversation. If you guys listen to that, that needed some clarification or you guys wanted to kind of address or bring anything else into that. No. Good groundwork. I like it. Well, then let's just, like, dive right into what we were hoping to kinda chat about today. So we have, like I said, 3 coaches today that kind of meet that definition. And we have one person that kind of meets the definition therapist, and my former career academy set too, so 2 of us need that. But talking about coaches and we'll start with that part, what do you think that you offer your clients that makes what you offer different than other helpers? What is unique about what you individually offer? Does somebody wanna kind of address that? Eric, do you wanna share with us?

Eric Bauberger [: 00:05:57

Yeah. You know, like you mentioned in my bio, there's this emphasis on the balance between our mind, our emotions, and our habits. So most people that I work with have a goal in mind Whether it be something for their physical health or whether it be within a relationship or, you know, the they wanna be a song writer. And regardless of what that physical goal is, we always pull back the layers and look at what beliefs or limiting beliefs are play that are keeping this person from fully embodying that goal now as well as all of the emotions that are under the surface. So most of the time that I spend with people is really focused on simply having people bring all of their awareness to the emotions that they feel and what they feel like as physical sensations in the body, and that does so much shifting internally that could either be moved into other areas or, you know, someone might have a certain memory that they have that they need to look at. But just by feeling the emotions so much can shift for someone looking to change the way that they do things and become Not who they aren't already, but step into that next version of themselves, so to speak.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:07:20

Yes. And you really specialize with working with artists is kind of your specialty that you do at this point in time then?

Eric Bauberger [: 00:07:27

Yes. That's where I've that's where I've shifted.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:07:30

Very exciting. So you definitely work with that. And then a lot of the body work with the feelings and the emotions and kind of moving into that phase.

Eric Bauberger [: 00:07:37

Yeah. A lot of somatic feeling, sensations, and breathing into them and holding space for them. A lot of people benefit purely from that feeling component.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:07:49

Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. What about you, Jacquelyn or Linh? What do you guys feel like is something that you offer your clients is very specific to what you do and what you offer in your coaching?

Linh Phan [: 00:08:01

Jacquelyn, do you wanna go ahead? Go for it. Go for it, and I'll answer after her.

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:08:06

Okay. That's interesting. It's kind of what Eric was talking. I thought There's a lot of similarities there. I would say you say I'm more direct. But, yeah, I say I focused more on The process is what really makes us stay at a part rate. So I have a process in my program like for the driver's seat. I call it the drive method, but to keep it simple. I work on what people are thinking first because there's so much power in just being aware of what's currently, how your brain works. So I look at a little more logically. Right? Like, if we're thinking certain thoughts, right, our brain's just offering that to us because it's trying to keep us safe, and then those thoughts make us feel a certain way. And when we feel a certain way, kind of like Eric was saying, kind of creates our beliefs and our identity and how we show up and how we move through the world and and any category and any result we want to create. It's really about being aware of those thoughts, what is our brain offering us? Can we question those? Can we be intentional with what we're thinking? because if we can do that, then we can really dictate how we feel and the actions that we take. I also think a big component of that is being intentional with prioritizing. I know when on our episode, we talked a lot about boundaries. Being intentional with our time and the things that we're letting into our life is kinda like the 3rd component. And then lastly is being intentional, I call it grow, but being intentional with envisioning what we want and being intentional with what we want in our lives. You think a lot of people kinda gear life, I call it in the passenger seat. They're just not being intentional with what they want to create. Maybe it's because they don't believe it's possible for them or they're it's just not on the radar. But yeah, growing, being intentional with what we want in every category of our lives and then learning the tools to go out and actually make that a reality. It's kind of I say I help people get from where they are right now to where they want to be, really. To keep it simple.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:09:48

So a lot of thoughts, beliefs, knowing what you want and then really moving yourself into the driver's seat is kind of some of the focuses you have.

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:09:55

Yeah. Because, like, think most people, they focus on the action. Right? They focus on the result that they want and the action taking, and they're like, why am I doing all of these things? Right? And I'm not getting my result. But they're not doing the important work that comes first, which is who am I when I'm showing up to take that action. That's going to get me a completely different result. -- not just the action. It's who I'm being when I go out to take that action to create that result that makes all the difference. So it's doing that front end work then working on the result, the action, and the result.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:10:27

Got it. That's very helpful. What about you, Linh? because you have a body acceptance kind of lens is kind of your focus with your coaching. So tell us more about that and that how that integrates.

Linh Phan [: 00:10:38

What and and Eric were talking about. Like, I resonate so much with that because so much of what we do, you know, like the thoughts and actions and that's all tied in together. but the intention behind it. So what I do, I use the intuitive eating framework a lot in the work that I do with my clients. And what does that mean? So a lot of my clients come to me, and they have had a lot of experiences, diets, They have this desire to lose weight because, you know, ultimately, they wanna be happy and healthy. But the thing is is, like, diets are not scientifically shown or there are lots of studies that have, like, have supported the fact that diets don't work. So about 95% of diets don't work. They are not sustainable. So we basically put ourselves through this Agony are trying to lose weight and for what so that we can plateau so that we can regain the weight back so that we can beat ourselves up. Right? So what I do with my clients is we try to figure out what they actually want. So I kind of like, you know, peel back the onion layers of like, okay, so why do you wanna lose weight? you know, what is the underlying reason for that? And then we start actually, you know, identifying, like, the habits that we can build to actually achieve their goals. So if they want to be happy, what are the things that we can do, you know, to start creating more happiness? Right? if you wanna be healthy, what are the habits that you can build to actually get you to that healthiness? Because at the end of the day, when you lose weight, like, isn't going to be the end of it. Right? We're gonna have to maintain the weight loss. We're going to still have to deal with all of the stuff that's inside. Right? Like, when you're actually trying to lose weight, you're not necessarily working on being happier and healthier. You're just focused on this external thing this, like, goalpost, and then what? Like, what comes after that? So many people that I talk to, they are still unhappy. They're still dissatisfied. They still think that they're not worthy. They still think that they're unlovable. There are a lot of industries in our society that are kind of perpetuating this idea that if you are thin, you're gonna have everything that you want. And then that's just absolute yes.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:12:52

Yes. So you work a lot with them trying to figure out how to navigate those pieces then.

Linh Phan [: 00:12:58

Yeah. But and also to, like, ultimately realize that, like, this is your body. This is your vessel. This is your home for your entire life. Why are we spending so much time and energy trying to change it? Right? if there's something that you actually want, you don't need to change this in order to get whatever your goal is.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:13:20

Yes. They're really focusing on that piece. Yes. That's very helpful. And so as you guys have people come to you and find you? Like, what do you think is the driving factor that helps people find you and connect to you to be able to work with you?

Eric Bauberger [: 00:13:35

I like to think that it's in part the way that I show up in workshops with music, just, you know, any type of live thing, podcast, I believe that the energy from which I speak and from the quality of what I'm saying, I believe that there is a resonance with some people. And that resonance that they feel wakes up something inside of them that help them realize I want assistance with this. Though there's an easier way to go about this, maybe I haven't been truly honoring myself. And this seems like someone that understands a way to facilitate this movement forward. What's this path of least resistance that he speaks of? I hear it in his voice. I wanna know more.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:14:24

I like that. That definitely makes sense. What about for you guys, Jacquelyn? Linh, what do you feel like is the what resonates and what connects with your clients?

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:14:35

Yeah. I feel like it's definitely -- people's energy that attract you to them. Right? And it's different for everyone. Right? Like, I always say I'm not for everyone, and I'm completely fine with that. My people find one. Right? You know, I do a lot of things online. I do in person workshops, online workshops, and I think you could just get a feel. Right? Like, that's my person. I like her vibe. I like how she speaks. It's a different right? We all have different styles of teaching. Like, you called me direct. Yeah. I'm pretty I don't waste time.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:15:01

Yeah. No. I appreciate that about you. I love that about you. Yes.

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:15:06

I am pretty direct. I do free 1 hour consultations, which I think are very moving and give people a very good I just show up as I would But I don't treat them like a prospect. I teach them. I treat them like I'm coaching them. You know? And it gives them a pretty good idea of what our coaching sessions will look like, and, yeah, I don't hold anything back. So I think that's how you know.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:15:27

Yeah. The style that resonates with you to feel like it's gonna help you move from point a to point b. was gonna really speak to you. Yeah. So for Linh, what for you is kind of how you feel people resonate and connect with you.

Linh Phan [: 00:15:37

Absolutely. Absolutely. Like, you know, coaching is all about relationships. Right? And so it's who resonates with me, like Jacquelyn said, like, not everyone is going to love what I say. especially because, you know, I talk about, like, you know, diet culture and how it's so bad for you. So a lot of people are so attached to that idea that diets are gonna be the answer. So not everyone's gonna love what I say. So it's absolutely true that, you know, people who do believe in my messaging and who do resonate with the way I speak to them and, like, possibilities that I present to them, that's super important.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:16:12

Yeah. Ready to look at things differently, ready to do things differently. That's fabulous. So, Will, I would love for you to, like, jump in with some of this thinking too around with your clients and with as a psychotherapist. A lot of them, do they come to you through referral then? Are you able to kind of connect with folks in other ways, or tell us a little bit about that?

Will Halpin [: 00:16:32

Well, that comes a variety of ways. I mean, I do some teaching, so I instruct. I do workshops. And, certainly, just networked through my community and working with folks for the years I have. So, I mean, as far as what raws people in, it's not too dissimilar to what other people are mentioning. Right? Like, I have a certain style and a certain presentation, and we know that success in any sort of coaching or therapeutic relationship is the relationship. That is the foundation for, I think, anything to transpire. So and are you also asking kinda, like, what distinguishes me?

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:17:04

Yeah. I would love for you to share on that. That would be great.

Will Halpin [: 00:17:06

Sure. So because I kind of market myself and kind of put myself out there as a trauma-informed therapist. I specialize in complex PTSD. simple PTSD, developmental trauma, you name it. That's sort of my area. And so the areas I'm trained in are specific modalities around that or is all those letters you mentioned IFS, which I spoke about, but there's others that I do. So folks who are grappling with developmental trauma or PTSD, that certainly is a thing that people come to me for, and my referral networks know me for that. So that is my ideal client. Certainly, folks within the LGBTQIA plus community as well. That's an area of specialty that I my entire career have worked at a health center that way and the practices I've been involved with kind of market ourselves as sort of reaching that community. So those are sort of my ideal sort of communities I work in. And as far as was my what distinguishes me, I guess, for myself as I mean, I try to make myself as transparent as possible. So I orient from, like, a feminist theory as a therapist. Like, there is a power differential that is undeniable. But what I try to do to sort of level that or to bring it down is, like, this is a collaborative relationship. At any point in any time, we are constantly evaluating what our work is together and what's working not. And so your feedback is essential. It's important so I invite my clients constructive criticism at all points throughout the process. I also like, if any point you're wondering why I'm asking a question, ask me. Like, Therapy should never ever be a mystery. You should not be like, where are we going happening here. There's always a goal in mind in a direction. Right? I marketed my materials that way. I give people a chance to you know, I do a free consultation on the phone where I'm like, I want you to vet me. And if people don't always know how to vet me, I'm like, these are the questions you could ask me. Like, ask me this because I wanna empower clients to, like, be good consumers of health care. want you to ask me the questions. What is your training? What is your experience? How have you worked with these kinds of communities before? With what goes your ongoing supervision? These are all things that are very fair game. So I try to, like, market myself as accessible as, like, I want you to feel like a fully informed participant in this process.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:19:03

I love that. Next episode, I think we're gonna talk more about the questions. So I love that you already have some lined up. That's perfect.

Will Halpin [: 00:19:10

Yeah. And just sort of, like, speaking to a little bit whether other folks have mentioned, I mean, as far as what oriented me as a therapist, you know, because I work in trauma, and trauma is not fully located in the frontal lobes or the prefrontal cortex. We're dealing with the limbic portion of the brain. We're dealing with somatic stuff. So the stuff that other folks have brought up around being in touch with the somatic experience of something that certainly is gonna be very, very true when you're dealing with any kind of trauma response is a physiological component. So we're dealing with physiology. We're dealing with somatic responses. We're dealing with thoughts and emotions associated with that and certainly, like, traumatic intrusive memories and things like that as well. So the work I do and the therapies I do, and I don't know if that's helpful to even talk about which ones I do. But --

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:19:51

We're gonna talk about that the next episode. More about that. So I think this is a great place for us to actually transition to talking more about the uniqueness of how with therapists. I mentioned that a little bit in the last episode that we have different training, different degrees, different licenses that goes with therapists. It doesn't always tell you what they specialize in, but often the training, they can feel like alphabet soup. I gave my example of an RPTS a registered play therapy supervisor, and you have way more designations. We're gonna talk about more in the next episode. And so I'd love for us a transition to talking about the coaches and the different designations with coaching to do that since we talked a lot about that in the last episode with therapists. Can you guys talk a little bit about the different coaching? And each of you has a different designation of coach that goes to the coaching title. So can we talk a little bit about those coaching titles? And then we'll get more into the next episode about some of the stuff with therapy. folks can understand when they read these things or see these things, what that means. So we'll start, like, with you, Linh, with your designation as a body image coach, and then intuitive eating coach is something you've also done. Like, can you talk us more about, like, that designation and how you arrive at the designation if there's a lot of people that call themselves that what that means and kind of uniqueness of that?

Linh Phan [: 00:21:13

My background is in psychology, so I did my undergrad in psychology. And then for like, a number of years I went into, like, finance/corporate. But then I found my way back. So I have an accreditation as a transformational life coach. And so that was, like, from 3 years ago, and then I got my certification as an intuitive eating counselor. So these are the areas that I have the accreditation in, and where body acceptance comes in is just basically to be honest, it's marketing. Right? Like, to be honest, like, any coach that calls himself xyz, it's marketing. for me, I chose body acceptance because it was very like, you can't really be confused by what I'm trying to say when I say body acceptance. Right? When I was saying that I was an intuitive eating coach, people were interested. They thought they knew based on the information, you know, that they, like, had seen on tiktoks, you know, Instagram and stuff like that, but they didn't really know. And so I think it caused a little bit of confusion. And so I just picked a title that was very specific and direct about what I do so that people wouldn't be confused.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:22:26

Yeah. So clarity for people that were looking for support that they knew what you did, which is the kind of fun thing about coaching, isn't it? those different designations are really for clarity for people looking for supports to know what you do, and that kind of helps for that clarity, which is kind of the the letters and stuff for therapists too is to help with that clarity. So, Jacquelyn, for you, you say certified life coach is what you use. Correct?

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:22:52

Yeah. It's so funny too because I'm in other programs with coaches, and I see people spin and, like, what they're gonna call themselves. And it's like this big decision, and I'm like, I'm a life coach. I think I really think this is, like, a 10 second decision. I think you make the decision, and it doesn't matter what I call myself. It's how I show up and what I believe about myself. Doesn't matter what I call myself if people know I can help them. It's how I talk to them. It doesn't matter what label I put on it. because I can call myself whatever. And if I don't believe in my ability to help people and they don't sense that from me, it does not matter what my name is. So I literally tell people I'm like, we can make this decision in 10 seconds. You know me. I talk to you about I'm like, let's because it does not take a long time to make a decision. It literally takes seconds, and then it's everything else I'm free to just put my belief and my thoughts and and my how I show up, my confidence into that. So I literally think a label is nothing. I want I once heard someone talk about it, Like, thinking about what you call yourself, your title is, like, a shade of lipstick. It might initially attract people to you, but they're still gonna have to go on the date and get to know you and see if it's gonna click. So it really doesn't matter what shade able to stick you put on. So that's my take on that. I say life coach and take it or leave it, and you see what I'm about. Yeah.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:24:06

No. That totally works. And that's a descriptor that totally works for you. So for different people, different shades of lipstick. I gotcha. I gotcha. And so for Eric, why don't you tell us a little bit more about because you do holistic life coach, and then you also put in your music because your music is very important to who you are and how you present yourself. Correct?

Eric Bauberger [: 00:24:25

Yes. I'm I'm a little bit of everything all of the time, so to speak. But my Certification my most recent certification is called the mastery method. And just to quickly explain what that is, it's It's this idea of everyone having to move through 3 stages in order to create some kind of change. And those three stages are simply awareness, acceptance, and aligned action. And those three stages occur on the several levels of our being. There is our mind. There is our emotions. The somatic or the visceral experience like everyone has mentioned, the behaviors and the unconscious. And I explained that to people, but I found it easier to call myself a holistic life coach because I look at the whole human being, mind, body, and spirit. And a lot of especially creatively and, you know, this is from my own experience and from working with people when we're looking to create some kind of change or we're looking to hit a new level of creativity and An action in our life, but action that is aligned with who we wanna be. It's so important for us to be able to take care of our physical vessel. I need so much rest. I need so much self care. I need so much time meditating, breathing, eating well. taking myself on little trips, you know, really nurturing my physical body too, whether I'm, like, laying on an acupressure matter, getting this out. and it sounds like a lot of self pampering. But what I've discovered is that the better I could take care of all ass specs of my physical being and my mind and and my spiritual self, my essence, the easier it is for my true self to shine through, for my voice to come through most clearly, for my songs to come through me most clearly, and for my next step to be most clear. So, yes, while we look at the beliefs and the emotions and the actions, a lot of people are in need of just taking better care of themselves, whether that's setting a boundary. But it's really the entire picture, and that's why I've stuck with holistic life coach hoping that people see holistic and believe, like, okay. This guy's gonna look at the whole picture, and he's not gonna just hyperfocus on one area.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:26:53

Yes. And so for all of you three that we have with us today, you've all gone through certification And when you call this something other than certification, accreditation is what you called it. Right? So accreditation certification, you've all had various training to get to where you are. And there's there's, like, the life coach school. There's this master method that you've gone through, Eric. There's a lot of different ways that coaches can get training. but you don't necessarily have to have training to call yourself a coach. Is that correct?

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:27:21

Mhmm.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:27:22

So that's something that we can talk more about on our next episode about to maybe ask those questions to understand the background. And like you said, Linh, like you've had training in psychology and undergrad, and I think, Jacquelyn, you've mentioned to me before that you've had training and an undergrad that you in school, you were interested. Yeah. You've been interested in this in the past too. So you guys have had some education and background and done different things that have led you to this plus gone through certifications and trainings and had some different work with that. Do any of you have coaches yourself or people that you kind of go to and work with? I'm having nods. You guys can't see the nods, but they're all nodding that they all have coaches.

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:27:56

I always have a coach. I think it's the best in fact, like, I will never be without a coach. I don't care what has to go. That will always be in my life. There's nothing, nothing more important than your mental well-being. Like, nothing is as important. set purchase.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:28:09

And Will, what do you have to support yourself? Will, do you wanna show what you have as well?

Will Halpin [: 00:28:14

Sure. I'm a firm believer that anyone in a helping profession needs their own helper. I don't care what part of the helping profession you are. And so, yes, I have my own therapist. Absolutely. And I continue to do that work. And all the therapy that I do, I've had done to me. So I've been on both sides, and I firmly believe that's so essential in that process. In fact, some people may find this controversial, but I think a wonderful question for a potential client to ask is, do you do your own therapeutic work? I think it's a fair question. And I think that this is my personal belief. If anyone bogs or gets really defensive, I'm like, that's a yellow warning flag.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:28:55

That's a sign. That's a flag.

Will Halpin [: 00:28:56

I think that that's an important thing to vet in your helper. So --

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:29:02

Yes. I've wondered about that question myself just because, again, you've heard my last episode. You heard me that I can't find helpers, but I am in the process of finally found a coach that I'm going to be working with. But it's been one of those things that, like, trying to find a helpers is a challenge at times, but I've always been looking for 1. even if I haven't always had what I've been looking for one to never shied away from having that, even if I was haven't had it. So I think that having somebody who's not afraid to have that and doesn't want to have that, you know, if they can't have access to it, I think, is a quality and their awareness of the portions and the value of that even if they can't currently access it easily.

Will Halpin [: 00:29:38

True. Fair enough.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:29:40

Yeah. I think that's a really good quality. And so I think at one time, I was like, but I don't have a helper, and I'm a good helper, but I always wanted a helper.

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:29:47

That's such solid advice to say to ask because it's if I am truly having, like, bringing so much value to my clients, how would I not go and get that for myself? Like, I did so much value to my clients, and I see the things that they're doing and creating. How could I do that if I'm really delivering that? How could I not be? I'm 100% getting back for me. Right? So it's like if I'm bringing the value, I'm totally going to be doing that. So I think that's such a great question. shouldn't because if you're asking and they're like, no. It's like, well, you don't really believe in your value then and what you're delivering to your clients if you're not willing to go get that for yourself.

Will Halpin [: 00:30:25

And to piggyback off what you were saying, Shawna, like, just holding the awareness, the value of it. So even if you're not actively gonna help her, like, I have taken breaks from therapy at points. I'm not always, always, but I've typically mostly been. But I think it's still important that you have the orientation of awareness of the value of it. So even if you aren't and you're looking, you're like, that is an important thing to be aware of as a helper. and an important, like, priority as a helper to get your own help because any of us in this profession, I do believe, is driven to it from our own unfinished business. And gotta work on our own and finish business as well as we help others.

Speaker B [: 00:30:56

Yep. Helpers need helpers. That's kind of how that stuff rolls. I like it. And I think that's a great place for us. to kind of put a pin in all of this to continue for next week. So as we wrap up this week, I would love for this is Eric, and Linh were the ones that we did an introduction for this week if you guys could give us a really quick snippet of something that you guys have done recently for self care. quick self maintenance because we're that's the reframe. Right? We're reframing is self maintenance. You because I love that Eric's like, people think of this as Pampers. pampering. It's not self care. It's self maintenance. It's necessary to maintain and be who you are and be present. So, Linh, could you just give us something you've done in the last week that has been to help maintain yourself so you can show up and be your authentic self, something that you've done in the last week.

Linh Phan [: 00:31:44

in the last week, what have I done? Gone to therapy. I mean, like, to continue this conversation, right, like, gone to therapy, and I made us an appointment with my supervisor to try to, like, kind of keep myself constantly improving and having that conversation around how I can be better. And then basically being able to, like, unpack all of the things that come up for me. Right? because I'm still human and things come up for me during sessions with my clients as well. So it's really important to be able to have an outlet to talk about these things.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:32:15

That's awesome. I love it. That's very on point with the conversation too. What about you, Eric? What have you done in the last week that has been self maintenance to keep you going and on the right track?

Eric Bauberger [: 00:32:26

So over the last month, really, I have up leveled my grounding game, and there's a lot of different ways that you could ground, but what that has looked like for me is spending more time in the grass in my bare feet, listening to the birds feeling the wind on my skin really getting in my body whether I may or may not be exercising, but really spending that time just being one with my backyard as crazy as that might sound, and it's been so nourishing on many, many levels, but that rudeness is so necessary to expand in that vertical direction just like the tree. We need to have a solid foundation, and I brought a lot more attention to that recently.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:33:10

That's awesome. That's great. So I'm gonna sum up our Grit Wit really quick then. So for our Grit Wit, we're gonna actually look at that element of you guys starting to really consider if you do have the inkling. If you or some of your family has the inkling about looking for a coach, looking for a therapist that you start considering what that resonance is that these folks have been talking about. Like, what would resonate for you? Like, what qualities would resonate for you in a helper or have resonated it from a helper that you've had. And so as you go into this next episode, as you start looking at the questions and the things we're gonna talk about for you to kind of know the qualities that have resonated with helpers, for you to start thinking about that and mentally noting what qualities would resonate with you. So that as we go into our questions in the next episode, you guys will be ready to see what questions resonate, and you can make a note of those. So that will be a great wit. And I'm excited. You guys get to hear from all these folks again. So tune in next week to episode 56 so that you can hear more. Thank you guys all so much for being here today. I appreciate you.

Will Halpin [: 00:34:05

It's a pleasure.

Jacquelyn Emery [: 00:34:07

Thank you.

Linh Phan [: 00:34:08

Thank you so much.

Eric Bauberger [: 00:34:08

Thank you.

Shawna Rodrigues [: 00:34:09

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